Climate change is real, but so are the chances to turn this around. When Energy Fellow Susanna Kass saw 20 years ago that the energy infrastructure at Stanford was inefficient, she and her colleagues demanded change. Today Stanford is one of the most energy efficient research Universities of the world.  But Susanna has not stopped, as a member of the Climate 50 and UN advisor, she now drives change in the ICS and data centre sector to reach the goal of triple zero. This podcast is about what it takes to go there.